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eBay Shine Award winner, seller extraordinaire, vintage tee expert, YouTube influencer, eBayer, Etsy seller, Grailed seller Katy Zliverberg is our guest this week! We’ll also have a Seller Shout-out and the News!
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Transcript
Intro
Liz:
Oh my gosh, Doug episode 15 already.
Doug:
I know.
Liz:
How are you?
Doug:
I’m all right. You know, kind of a challenging week, but doing good. How are you?
Liz:
I’m doing well. Yeah, you have had a challenging week. I heard you had a big scare.
Doug:
The big event of the week was as you know, we’ve mentioned Moose and Kevin, my dogs on the show and we are buying a house right now, which is exciting, but we’re in between houses. So we are shacking up with the in-laws for a bit. And then, so our dogs are separate from us and they were in dog boarding, but we moved them to a friend’s house and right away, Moose and Kevin got out. Moose came back, but Kevin did not. So we were pretty scared for a bit. So, you know, it’s interesting, Liz, I can reference the power of social media. Social media helped get Kevin back. So we’d get the whole posts across the board, all these different things, all these different find your dog things. And then later that night, a lady and her daughter found Kevin wandering around the road. They’d had seen posts online.
Liz:
Oh wow! Well, I saw your post online too, and my heart sunk down to my stomach for your family, because I know what it’s like for your dog to be missing just for five minutes. And so he was gone for quite a while. I think he had quite the adventure!
Doug:
Yeah. Hopefully he had a good day, a little nice walk and maybe a nap here and there. He likes to lay around in the sun, but everything’s cool. He’s back.
Liz:
I’m so glad he is back, and that somebody found him and was able to contact you via social media because of your posts.
Doug:
That’s right. And my association with Liz O’Kane…
Liz:
I’m pretty sure I have. That probably hurts you more than it helps you, but I’m sure that we could do a whole podcast on that. This has been a pretty exciting week here, too. My gosh. So first, still thinking about last week’s podcast with Sharon. So hopefully everybody got a chance to listen to that and are able to go to eBay Main Street and sign up.
Doug:
Yeah, that was a good one that got a lot of notice. So that was good.
Liz:
Yeah. That is really good. So hopefully sellers, you’ve signed up for eBay Main Street, you’re getting your information and going from there, I got to listen in on eBay’s May seller check-in, a lot of great stuff. It will be online on their YouTube channel. So, and they did announce that eBay Open this year would be virtual and it would be free. And I believe it starts August 3rd, but you can go, we’ll put the link in the show notes, but it’s sellerevents.ebay.com. Registration is not open yet, but definitely sign up for that. We’ll talk more about it on the podcast, but that was pretty exciting to know. Still looking forward to in-person events. Yeah. I can’t wait.
Doug:
I think they’ll be back.
Liz:
Doug, this week. I’m super excited for our guests this week. This is a guest that I have wanted on the show since episode one. The one and only Katie Silverberg.
Doug:
Laughter, tears, crying about concert t-shirts. We talked Grailed, Etsy, Instagram sales, auctions, shirts in general.
Liz:
All right. So this week we’ve got Katy Zilverberg. We’ll have a seller shout-out and we have some interesting news, but first let’s get started with Katy.
Doug:
And wait a sec. Just so you know, the seller community podcast is produced by List Perfectly every week for your enjoyment and show notes are found at thesellercommunitypodcast.com/podcast. We got to pay the bills, Liz.
Liz:
Yes. We’ve got to pay the bills.
Vintage Tees, Streetwear, Social Selling with Katy Zilverberg
Liz:
And today we welcome our friend, Katy Zilverberg. She is the 2017 eBay Shine Award winner for the Rising Star category influencer, YouTube star, virtual flea marketeer. She sells on Etsy, eBay, Grailed and more. I can’t wait to hear more about it. Welcome to the show, Katy.
Katy:
Hello, thanks for having me. I mean, I’m going to be riding that Shine wave for the rest of my life, that’s my plan.
Doug:
That’s right. You don’t want to peak too early with that.
Katy:
I should start carrying my little award statue thing around with me everywhere I go.
Liz:
Because did you know? Because did you know I won the 2017 Shine award?
Katy:
I could get it like put on a chain around my neck and I could be like Flavor Flav…
Doug:
All right, Liz, I don’t know if you know, but Katy’s a big horror fan and I’m a big horror fan and we’ve kind of bonded over that. So we’re going to take over, this is now a horror podcast, so just sit around and listen.
Katy:
Yeah. I’m actually pretty excited about it because we’ve decided that we’re, we’re just gonna explore David Cronenberg as an auteur, where to look over his entire canon of work look at, and you explore some of the threads of themes that go throughout his career. So, just buckle up Liz because you’re in for a wild ride.
Doug:
But you know…
Liz:
What I do know about is horror t-shirts thanks to Katy. That’s about as horror movie and shows as I get.
Katy:
You know, and I actually, I only had, well, I had four things I shipped out today, but of those four things, three of them were actually horror t-shirts.
Liz:
But I’m going to bring it back around. Doug gets easily distracted. Katy, you do too, but that’s what I love about both of you. I think we could do this podcast for three hours and have seven themes. So Katy, take us on the Katy Zilverberg reselling journey. How did you get started selling online?
Katy:
Okay, well, it is a bit of a tale because there is my current online selling journey, but I was reselling a long time before that more as like kind of a hobby. So as Doug said, I am a big fan of horror movies. I’m also just a fan of movies in general across all kinds of genres. And so I’ve been collecting like VHS and DVDs and Blu-rays over the years. And back in like the early two thousands, I actually worked at a record store where they bought and sold used and new movies. And so I would collect and then I would also sell stuff on Amazon. Cause back then, you know, I didn’t sell on eBay for a really long time, but I would sell on Amazon. And so I would actually use eBay to do my comping and I would look for movies that were selling for high prices to kind of know what to for. And so I was selling stuff like I remember when Much Ado About Nothing on DVD was out of print and that DVD would sell for over a hundred dollars. This was like early two thousands, stuff like that. So I was doing that for years. And then when I went to grad school in 2007, I had to move to New York city and I sold a bunch of my collection on Amazon to fund my move. I got into selling my current version of my selling life back in 2015. I actually had left my job as executive director of a Habitat for Humanity affiliate in Oregon. And I was starting my own business as a marketing consultant for small businesses. At the same time, I kind of dabbled in reselling cause I went to an Adidas outlet store and I just happened to see some shoes that were marked way, way cheap and I thought, I think I could probably resell these and make a little bit of money. I basically figured out pretty quickly that I could build a reselling business faster than I could build the marketing consulting business. And I was limited because I only had six months of unemployment where I had to make my own like a self-employment, my own business. I had to build it to support myself within six months or I’d be in trouble and have to go back to a real job. And so once I realized I could be successful with eBay and even doing some Amazon FBA, I just kinda went fully into that. So it’s just kind of a weird, I wasn’t planning on doing it guys. It just happened.
Liz:
It just happened so that marketing got put on the back burner.
Katy:
Yeah. I mean, it takes a lot to build a business and it’s, it, it really takes a lot of work and I think I could have been successful at it, but it, I think it would have taken longer than that six months.
Doug:
And what was the spark that made you decide to go full time?
Katy:
Think it was just that I saw success so quickly. Like I had my first sale in December of 2015 and I just started doing it a little bit more and a little bit more. And then I found the bins and I just, I could see my sales were steadily increasing as I was adding inventory. And, but then I can also see that, you know, six months, five months, four months, the countdown to when I really needed to be bringing in enough money to be able to support myself full time. And I just, it was just kind of a gradual thing that happened very quickly, but I, and I was having fun doing it. It was like, I’ve mentioned earlier that I collect movies and I have this collector mentality. So it was kind of like plugging into that exciting part of myself where, you know, going out and looking for something that could sell for a lot. It was kind of like collecting, like I find it and I put it up for sale and then sell it and then just kept going and building and going faster and faster and faster. And then I don’t, I couldn’t give you like a specific moment that that happened. It just, but it was very cool.
Liz:
Six months is, is quick, right. To build an entire eBay business, to do that. That was in 15, 2015.
Katy:
So, in December of 2015. I would say it took the eight months. So there were about two months where I was really struggling because my weekly unemployment payout went away and I have two months where I had to like really struggle. But then I hit fourth quarter and I was good to go. It was kind of like once I hit the thousand listing moment, which was in October of 2016, that was when I was like, okay, I can really do this and make this my full-time job.
Liz:
You got that momentum so fast. Clearly eBay recognized this because in 2017 you won the eBay Shine award for the Rising Star category. It was announced on stage at eBay Open 2017 in front of nearly 2000 guests. What was that moment like for you?
Katy:
It was surreal. And it was, it was really exciting. I will say that, you know, I had probably spent the previous couple of years just working nonstop, living practically as a hermit. I wasn’t really going out, I wasn’t doing anything. And so then to all of a sudden be like launched into this crazy world that is eBay Open where there’s all these people that I don’t know, but a lot of them, I do know as stranger friends, as we call them. So people that I built relationships with online and to suddenly be in the middle of that and all the hype around the Shine awards and people were like chanting my name. And it was, it was just really exciting and fun. And it was an amazing experience. And I, you know, I’ve made a lot of friends from that experience. And you, I mean, I didn’t even meet you that year. I don’t think, I don’t think I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet you, so I didn’t even meet you that year, but, it was a really exciting, fun experience, that I wish everybody could have that experience.
Doug:
So allright. So you were growing, you were hustling through there. What were you selling at that time? Was it a broader, broader category that you were selling?
Katy:
I would say, okay. So let’s go back to when I very first started, because like I said, I did grow very quickly. So when I first started, I would sell anything. Like I was going to, you know, the outlet mall to the outlet stores. I was doing retail arbitrage. I was going to hardware stores. I was going, you know, so I was buying clothing, hard goods, anything, I didn’t know what I was doing. My store wasn’t even named aboutiqueforhim at that time. It was Silver Mountain Deals. And which was just ridiculous because then later when I decided to change it, I’m like, it’s so cringey sounding, it sounds like it’s like, here’s the deal for you, and here’s the deal for you…But, I was just selling a little bit of everything. And then I found the bins. Like my sister had been telling me for years about the bins, and I’d never gone, you know, I grew up going to thrift stores, but I’d never gone to the bins. And so when I finally went and I realized how cheap it was and how much clothing there was, I kind of started gradually moving over into clothing. By the end of 2016, I had really shifted over into men’s clothing. I was still picking up some women’s clothing if I found something that was interesting and I’m still picking up some hard goods if I found something that was interesting, but I’d shifted pretty quickly and very organically into men’s clothing. And by 2017, when I was at the Shine awards, I already had more of a niche of more vintage than not more used than not, but still men’s clothing. And I was kind of starting to move into more of just the streetwear kind of category, as opposed to, you know, every, anything else, like button down shirts and things like that. Moving more towards streetwear jackets, sweatshirts t-shirts, still some sneakers but more streetwear. There was like, kind of like the framework of what, where I’m at today had already started. At that point I was already kind of known somewhat as doing somebody who sold streetwear and t-shirts, but it was kind of just the beginning of that.
Liz:
When I look at your store, I think that I’m looking at a website for streetwear collection. Everything is tight, your pictures are, I mean, everything. So you are fairly niche, especially known in that vintage streetwear t-shirt market.
Katy:
Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, like I said, I originally was called Silver Mountain Deals. And so it was before the Shine awards that I had changed my name. I don’t remember exactly when I changed my name, but when I realized it was doing menswear, that was when I was like, okay, I want to have like a little bit of a classier, a more interesting name that kind of is descriptive of what it is I sell or the kind of thing that I sell. And so that’s where I came up with aboutiqueforhim. And one of the great things about winning the Shine award is that one of the prizes was kind of a rebranding. And so I got to have like a professional logo and everything made. So it really helped kind of complete the look of what my store was going to look like.
Doug:
Then, so you decided to branch out, offering your goods at some point outside of eBay. So what platforms have you expanded to? Where are you selling now?
Katy:
Yeah, so I was pretty focused on eBay. I mean, I do tend to, once I have an idea of like what I want to do, I tend to be very, almost have blinders on and I want to just focus on that one thing, be really good at it. And that’s how I was with eBay for a long time. And, but then I did start flirting a little bit with Etsy, but I wasn’t really putting a full amount of time. And I think like the beginning of 2018, I think I started you know, I put like a hundred listings up on Etsy and then I just never touched it again. I was terrible about it. And then the whole picturepalooza happened where a bunch of pictures got disappeared on eBay. And that was when I really was like, I need to focus on seriously expanding some other platforms. So I’m not so dependent on just one platform for selling. And so that’s when I really expanded to Etsy. And then it wasn’t until List Perfectly added Grailed, you know, they were, they kept trying to get me to try out List Perfectly. Vikki was using List Perfectly. Of course Teresa was, and I was getting, you know, kind of harassed regularly by my peers to hurry up and finally do it. And I was like, I will join as soon as they get Grailed and they got Grailed and I jumped on board and added Grailed and then a few months later I added Mercari.
Liz:
So Grailed, that was your third platform. How’s that performing for you?
Katy:
It’s good. I mean, if we’re going to go by numbers, eBay continues to be number one. I mean, it’s just a, it’s the largest platform as far as reach goes and so even though I have a love, hate relationship with eBay, I can’t deny that it is my number one moneymaker, Etsy is definitely number two and then Grailed would be third, but I do enjoy Grailed. And when you have something like List Perfectly to cross post and it makes it really easy and fast, it’s kind of a no-brainer. But Grailed is definitely, it’s a little bit of a slow grower, but once you expand on there and kind of build a reputation, you start to see the sales coming in a little bit faster. And so I do get steady sales there and it definitely adds a big number to my bottom line at the end of the year.
Liz:
I see that question asked in the community a lot, people that are starting to use List Perfectly, or they’re just, cross-posting on their own. They’re like, what’s the secret sauce for Grailed? What is yours? Is it just listing more? Is it knowing the audience?
Katy:
I would say with Grailed, it’s a very specific audience. And so every platform is going to have its audience and who’s there. You’ve got your platforms that are more like yard sales, where, you know, things go quickly, but a low prices and it can be, anything was very specific it’s for menswear. And it tends to be more towards streetwear is what, you know, your audience is looking for there. And also, I do think reputation matters. You know, you get reviews, you hear people talk about eBay and how reviews don’t really matter as much anymore where people don’t leave feedback. On Grailed I get probably 60% of my sales I get feedback for because people in the streetwear community, particularly vintage, I think it’s really important to them that they trust the people they’re buying from the reality is, and I could be generalizing here. I know, but the reality is a lot of people who are selling vintage streetwear are going to be younger guys, and let’s face it when we were younger kids, we maybe weren’t so responsible. Maybe we didn’t have the best work ethic. And so there, there does tend to be a lot of issues with shipping out on time or disclosing flaws or shipping out at all. And so I think it can be really important to buyers to see that you have the flare on your Grailed that says that you’re a trusted seller or that you ship quickly, or that you respond quickly and they can see like, okay, this isn’t somebody who’s going to try to scam me or selling me a fake band t-shirt, um, or trying to get one over on me. It takes, you have to have a very specific type of items that you’re listing, and then you need to have a good reputation.
Doug:
One of the big trends right now is social commerce. So that’s all over the board. Liz will smile because I’m kind of obsessed with it and I’m always bringing it up and \talking about it. So it’s basically tying social media and selling together. So tell us a little bit about that, that kind of Instagram side of things, the Instagram flea market stuff, the live auctions, how you found out about that, how you got into it.
Katy:
People talk about going and using Instagram to sell, but a lot of the sellers who are probably listening to this podcast are going to be sellers who sell a little bit of everything. They don’t necessarily certainly have like a specific niche, but when it comes to my niche of, you know, vintage and streetwear and t-shirts stuff like that, that particular niche is perfect for an Instagram presence. And I will say that I am not the best at it. Like, I feel like, you know, it’s very difficult to find the balance and to make sure you’re putting in the time you need to, to grow on Instagram, because it is a lot about that social media presence. And I tend to be somebody who wants to, you know, I just want to get some work done and so it takes a lot of finessing, but it definitely is great for that kind of selling. So I’ve been on Instagram for, I don’t, I don’t even know now and with my own for him, I think I started like a few years ago, maybe four, four years ago, three years ago. So I, again, similar to how I was with Etsy, like I would go through spurts and I continue to do this where I will post stuff every day or try to do it every other day or regularly. I was getting more active over the last couple of years. And there’s one particular account on there, 1980somethingco, this guy Chris. And I’d been following him for a while pre-pandemic. He probably had a good 50,000 followers on Instagram. His old gig was that he would sell at the Melrose Trading Post, I think is what it’s called. And it’s like a thing in LA it’s like a flea market that’s every Sunday in LA, but then the pandemic happened and everything shut down. And so it was like, basically his business came to a grinding halt, as far as like what was supporting his family. And so that, he’s the one that started the virtual flea and it was kind of a way for him to sell to people, but also to allow other sellers and newer sellers to have an opportunity to access his audience and sell stuff. And so he’s been doing that since basically the shutdown happened last Spring every Saturday and Sunday. I mean, it’s, it’s gone through a lot of changes since, and it it’s pretty much exploded. And now he does in person events, they call it the virtual flea, which I can’t even, we don’t have enough time here for me to explain what that, what that even means, but it’s just this crazy phenomenon that’s taken off. And now you, when you go on Instagram, if you follow a lot of streetwear sellers, it’s like, seriously, there are lives going on constantly. It’s too much guys. It’s too much. Can’t handle it. I’m 42. I can’t do it anymore.
Liz:
So when you went on virtual flea as a friend, I was like, okay, let me find this 1980…wow, he’s got a lot of followers. Okay. Let’s watch Katy. And I was like, it was a totally different language for me. I know. I think Katy and I text back and forth. I’m like, I don’t know what they’re saying.
Katy:
It’s like your friends that you hang out with a lot. You start to make up words, you get silly with each other. And that happens in any community and especially this kind of a community where it’s a lot of younger people. And, it’s like when you’re new to it, you’re like, what are they even talking about? What is this reference? What is that reference? And plus, like I said, we’re old Liz, it’s a little longer to figure out what the kids are saying.
Liz:
Okay. I didn’t take that long. I still don’t know what they’re saying, but what I did learn in that first, I think it was like an hour for the first one. What I did learn is it’s an entire culture. It is, it’s an entire community within a community and there is some serious cash to be made.
Katy:
Absolutely. It’s pretty crazy.
Liz:
In that streetwear. So the story that sticks out to me, so on your first virtual flea, normally you are wearing a t-shirt while selling other t-shirts. I was, people wanted to buy the shirt you were wearing, but you were really connected.
Katy:
Yeah. Well, it was a t-shirt. So let’s backtrack a little bit. So for people out there who don’t know the virtual flea is it’s basically, I mean, it’s sort of like an online flea market, but the way it’s set up as a, you know, if you’re a seller and you get as a spot on the virtual flea, you get a set. And so I would have an hour set and I’d show t-shirts and I’d do some that were auction pieces. So there might be five minutes where people could basically comment in the chat and they would bid on the auction piece and you’re trying to sell it for as high a price as possible. And while those auctions were going on, I’d also show set price pieces. And so in one set, I might show 50 to 60 t-shirts and try and make some money off of it. And I think the most I made in one set was like $26, $27, $2,800, I think, for one set. And so it’s pretty crazy. And so when you go on, I mean, the audience is like, you know, t-shirt collectors mostly t-shirts, uh, you know, streetwear collectors. And so when you go on, it’s like, of course you want to wear something cool. You want to, you want to look good? You wanna, you want to show off that you got a cool vintage t-shirt and it’s kind of, they call it like the off the back challenge. Like, can you sell this t-shirt off your back? But the t-shirt I was wearing was this ET vintage ET t-shirt that I had bought from my buddy, Jesse, who owns Yesterday’s Fits a streetwear store here in Vegas. And he had sold it to me at a very low price with the agreement that I would never sell it. And so I wasn’t even going to sell it and I didn’t sell it that day. We will get to the rest of that story when you ask me a later question, but it was a really cool universal studios ET t-shirt vintage tee t-shirt from 1991. So for the virtual flea, I mean, really there’s, there’s so many sellers out there who are doing on Instagram, who are doing their own virtual fleas style lives and so you can, and I’ve been on people’s as well. You know, my friend Barry, Afro Vintage he does some during the, during the week in the morning, and he’s actually one that like dragged me, kicking and screaming to even try to do the virtual flea. So there’s a lot of them, but, you know, 1980somethingco is like the, the big one, the main one.
Katy:
And at the time I, it was easier to get on there. But he was still like running raffles and to get spots, to make sure that people could have a chance to get a spot. Now it’s like practically impossible because so many people want to do it. Once you get on the show, once you get a spot you know, he does it on Saturdays and Sundays. I think he does the other days as well now, but I don’t watch enough on Instagram to know exactly what a set-up is, but Saturdays and Sundays, and then he has people vote for who is their favorite seller for that day. So he does one on Saturday and one on Sunday and whoever wins, they are basically MVP and they automatically get to come on the next week. And so basically the trick is, or at least what I did because I have an audience because as we’ll talk about later, you know, I have a YouTube channel with my fiancée, Vikki, who has already been on this podcast because I already have somewhat of an audience. I was able to get enough votes to be able to keep coming back. I think I was on like a good six or seven times because I was like, if I don’t get MVP, then I don’t know when I’m going to be able to be on again. And so I did that a bunch, like I was on probably eight times, maybe I don’t remember exactly a lot of work goes into being on one of those sets. Cause like I said, it’s like 50 to 60 shirts, but I can’t come back with the same ones the next week I have to have 50 to 60 other t-shirts and they can’t just be the regular vintage stuff that I have in my, in my inventory. Like it has to be, as the kids say, it’s gotta be banger pieces. It’s gotta be, they’ve gotta be like hyped up pieces otherwise, like why would they care?
Katy:
You know? And it’s very specific you know, ones that they’re interested in. They like movie t-shirts and who knows, maybe it’s completely changed. I haven’t watched in a couple of months, so our tastes change very quickly, but there’s very specific things that they look for. So you have to be constantly out there looking for more inventory, that’s going to live up to kind of what people want to see. You know, some people make very good livings, reselling bread and butter, basic fashion on, you know, selling platforms. But, but that’s not the kind of stuff that necessarily is going to work when you’re talking about, um, social media commerce and stuff like that. You know, you know, like I think I hinted about it a little bit earlier. It’s, it’s a very particular type of platform to use for selling and a place to build, try to build your business. And it’s difficult and I’ve had difficulty, like I said, because I have a hard time giving enough of my time to it because you really do have to be on there a lot and you have to build relationships with other people. And so I know that my potential on Instagram has suffered because I haven’t given it enough time. And so it’s kind of one of those things where, you know, I can talk about it and I could quote unquote, give advice about it, but I’m not necessarily coming from a place where I’m making, you know, high numbers there. I’m still making them the majority of my money on, on just the old school, regular platforms that have been around for years. But I will say that if you are selling in a niche, doesn’t have to be streetwear. It can be any niche, but you do have to have a niche in order to really be successful on Instagram, in my opinion, because you’re building an audience, any audience doesn’t want to see 95% of stuff that they’re not, they don’t care about just to maybe see something they might like once a month. But I would say of all the platforms, including eBay, Instagram for me and for my niche probably has the most potential for growth if I put the right time into it.
Doug:
So what platform are you eyeing next? So TikTok is going to be doing a lot in terms of selling online. They’re really ramping up there. They’re starting to roll that out. Are we going to see a Katy Zilverberg, TikTok, will you make the announcement here?
Katy:
The thought of that is horrifying to me. You know, it’s funny because I’ve my whole life I’ve been like, well, you know, I’m one of those cusper people I was born in 1979. So I straddle the analog to digital age. Like the internet came about while I was still a kid, but I remember the good old days. And so I’ve always been a very tech savvy person, but I’m starting to feel it where it’s like, it took me a while to figure out Instagram stories and how, and I still don’t think that I use Instagram stories to the best of their potential and then I finally kind of figured that out and then they came out with reels. And so like the idea of like figuring out TikTok, and then like figuring out how to use that to my, to my benefit. Is this the thought it’s like, it’s horrible, Doug, why would you do this to me?
Liz:
Okay. We’ll take TikTok off the table. Have you thought about expanding to other platforms or are you totally cool and comfortable?
Katy:
I would say I’m totally cool and comfortable. I would say as far as like platforms go, I would be interested in Depop. My issue with Depop is the thing as of now only allow four photos because I sell higher priced vintage. It’s like I sell t-shirts. And you’re like how many pictures does a t-shirt need, but I’m selling vintage t-shirts that have varying levels of condition. And it’s really important because of the prices that I’m asking for the prices that I’m getting. It’s important that I’m able to show more than just four pictures and with all of my current listings, the first four photos, if I’m cross posting are not going to cut it. And so it just seems like a lot more work than I’m willing to put in. But I would imagine that it’s only a matter of time before Depop finally follows the ways of, Etsy and other platforms that started out with only a few photos and finally with all expand eventually. So if they were to expand to let’s say eight photos, at least then I would think about going to Depop. The only other one that I would consider that I’ve thought about is Shopify, because I do think at a certain point it would behoove me to have my own website where maybe I don’t put all of my 2,500 listings on it, but it would be probably a more curated kind of the really good vintage streetwear type stuff that is going to attract people. And that’s where I would probably link my Instagram too, because it would be more about this kind of highly curated boutique boutique, aboutiqueforhim.
Liz:
And so for those that have not seen Katy’s stuff, when Katy’s like, well, I sell a little bit higher end t-shirts okay. So we’re talking roached out Slayer t-shirts for in the hundreds.
Katy:
Talking About like the virtual flea and stuff like that in the last, I would say, you know, I’ve been doing well with vintage t-shirts and stuff for a few years now, but in the last year or so, the vintage t-shirt market has absolutely exploded. And a lot of it does have to do with kind of the hype around stuff with Instagram and with the virtual flea. And so, there are sellers out there who are selling t-shirts for thousands of dollars and there’s like vintage niche, rap t-shirts which rap tees, which are basically bootlegs or they’re not even, they’re like, you know, they’re not like licensed t-shirts, but they’re from like the nineties. And some of those go for thousands of dollars, some Disney t-shirts go for thousands of dollars and I don’t sell t-shirts at that level. I feel like I’m more about, I’m more of the tortoise in the race, as opposed to the hare, some of these kids out there, they’re all about, you know, kind of the flex and the selling the crazy prices. But, you know, it’s, it’s tough to find those and I guarantee you, a lot of those kids are paying way up for that stuff too. And maybe not making much profit, but my kind of a sweet spot is, you know, vintage t-shirts I can sell for a hundred dollars for $200 for $300. My average sell price is at $70 because I do have some lower price stuff, but at this point I only even pick up a t-shirt that I can’t sell for minimum $40. Um, but I like more $70 and above because not every roached out stained up t-shirt is the same. It’s a lot of it’s about the graphic and it has to be the right kind of fade the right kind of wear. But yeah, it can just be falling apart. Like one of the t-shirts I sold today, one of the t-shirts I shipped out today was it wasn’t even, it wasn’t even like a nineties shirt, like we’re talking about Y2K, mid two thousands. Horror t-shirts are selling for a lot of money now. And one of them I sold today for a hundred dollars was a Day of the Dead George Romero, Day of the Dead t-shirt reprint. I mean, it’s from like the mid two thousands completely destroyed holes, worn, thin just completely worn out, but it sold for $400 bucks and I paid like $5 for it. And you know, it’s a very particular look that people are looking for. And it’s not exactly something that’s easy to explain to people.
Doug:
So will people wear it or will they display it?
Katy:
Probably will. He’ll probably wear it. I don’t know, like, you know, Etsy describes vintage is 20 years old or older, but now in the streetwear community, mid two thousands is starting to be desirable now, too. So some of those like horror movies, he’s music tees, as long as they still have, or had a tag in them, like, you know how some t-shirts have the printed tags and newer ones have the tag is printed around the fabric. Those are still worthless, but like stuff from the mid two thousands is considered kind of vintage and Y2K is like a big search term, even for not even for stuff that’s not vintage t-shirts or streetwear. I know Liz you’ve been talking about this, like on Etsy, one of the highest searched words or terms now is Y2K.
Liz:
Katy, tell us about your YouTube channel. What is the Katy and Vikki show? I know what it is. Tell our audience with the Katy and Vikki show is.
Katy:
Well, I feel like people have come here to hear my rambling stories. So let’s look, let’s begin back. When I won the Shine award in 2017, I was kind of like, all right, how do I ride this fame for as long as possible? You know, tens of tens of people know me now, I need to really capitalize on that. And so I started a YouTube channel and it was just my name just Katy Zilverberg was a YouTube channel and I didn’t really know what it was going to be but I’m not one of those people who tries to prep everything out beforehand. I just dive in and figure it out. And so that’s basically what happened. So there were a few months of having that YouTube channel where I’d sporadically put out videos. I didn’t know what I was doing. And then I started doing a few hauls and then in early 2018, I finally convinced Vikki my fiancé to do a whole video with me. And she did like a couple. And then finally at some point we started doing regular videos and then I changed the channel name to, Katy and Vikki because it was both of us. It’s basically just, you know, us trying to share our knowledge with other people. Um, we both come from backgrounds where we like to do non-profit work and we’d like to help other people and we like to teach other people. And so this, we thought was the best way to do that, but we don’t have a lot of times. So rather than doing prerecorded videos, we do a lot of lives, but we do every Sunday, we do our Sunday live haul show, and we show our real numbers. I think that’s one of the things that’s unique about us is we show our real numbers for the last week, our gross numbers. And then we try to show like a lot of our costs. Obviously we don’t show everything as far as our costs go, because there’s a lot of stuff that, you know, you just can’t put out there. The biggest part is our cost of goods. You know, a lot of people out there on social media, like to flex and show like, look at all these packages, I’m shipping out, look at everything that we’ve done. Look at our numbers, but they don’t tell you what their cost of goods are. And without knowing what the cost of goods are, it’s kind of worthless, meaningless information and so we, we tell what our costs of goods are. We show what our numbers are, what our sales are and then we also show kind of the highlights of some of the stuff that we sold over the previous week. And then we show our haul or the stuff that we’ve picked up in the previous week. And we kind of try to educate people on the different types of stuff that we’re picking up to resell. Yeah, that’s basically what our channel is. You know, we do some other stuff. We do like a hangout show every once in a while called No Pants Friday After Dark cause I’m very against wearing any kind of restrictive waistbands. And sometimes we do a Wednesday business show, but our Sunday show is, is our most regular show that we try to do every Sunday. If we’re not out of town.
Liz:
Katy has aboutiqueforhim Vikki has lvpinkpeacock, two separate stores, two separate businesses. So it’s not a, you’re not a couple selling in one store.
Doug:
You have my very favorite seller video. I was going through YouTube stuff once and something came up and I think it was just you out at a store and you were going through, t-shirts like this and you were talking about stitching and how to identify and how you go through and you were going through so fast. I thought it was sped up, but it was real time. And you’re like, oh yeah, grab something to grab something. I thought that was amazing. So you’re talking about stitching and how to identify, you know, the original vintage stuff. And then I’m either gonna make you cry or you’re gonna make me cry. So can you hear me?
Katy:
I can hear you.
Doug:
Okay. My wife is around, wo when we started dating, she changed my style and had me get rid of all my concert t-shirts back to like, my first concert was Duran Duran and Erasure July 1987 in San Diego. I had, that was my oldest shirt. And then I had some old Depeche Mode shirts. I had a 91 Morrissey first US solo tour. So all the way back to 87 and all the way up to whenever that was. And I gave them all away. You may have some…
Katy:
Yeah, that’s really rough. Like our friend Dana is a reseller. She sent me a few weeks ago, she sent me a picture. She was at some antique mall where they have like the little booths and she sent me a picture of an eighties, early eighties, a Missing Persons t-shirt and it was like priced at $35 bucks. So she’s like, should I get it? And I’m like, yes cause she said, she knows to send me a picture of like the tags and stuff so I can make sure if like when it, when it’s from, I’m like, absolutely get it. And just yesterday she messaged me and said she sold it for $175.
Liz:
I’ve been shopping with Katy before we’ve been to the thrift stores and I thought it was a power shopper she’s in out, Hey, you guys ready? Cool. I got what I needed. Let’s go.
Katy:
Well, part Of that has to do with the men’s sections. If you go into a thrift store, the men’s section is very small and I have very specific things I’m looking for. And like Doug was saying about me going through the rack. I know how to spot. I can see, I don’t really even need to look too much at like any graphic or anything like that. I’m looking more at the tag and I will kind of look at the graphics so I can go through very, very quickly.
Doug:
Allright, welcome to the lightning round. Katy’s Zilverberg. That’s double points. If you need to make up points, this is the place to do it. So this is going to be the quick ask, quick answer questions. And just right off the top of your head,.
Liz:
Katy, what was the first item you sold online?
New Speaker:
The first item I sold online, I don’t remember exactly what it was because this was back in like the early two thousands when I was selling movies, but will say one of the ones. I remember I had a DVD of the movie Man With a Movie Camera, which is like an early, like, like it’s like a twenties black and white silent Russian film, but the music was Cinematic Orchestra which is a band. And I bought it at like Barnes and Noble because it just, it looked cool. I like silent movies. But then like later on, maybe a couple of years later I was checking it out on eBay, like what stuff is worth? And I realized that it was out of print cause they probably only made a limited number of copies of it. And I ended up selling it for like $200. And so that was probably one of the first things I did.
Doug:
And what was your most memorable sale?
Katy:
So back probably in late 2016, early 2017. When I was buying at the bins, I found a leather Polo, Ralph Lauren jacket. So I buy the bins 99 cents a pound. And I sold it to a guy on eBay who wanted to pay with a cashier’s check. And so this is like way after cashier checks were like the norm like a long time ago. But I was like, well, I guess if you want to send me a UPS or USPS cashier’s check, that’d be fine, but I can’t ship it to you until I actually get it. And so he sent it to me like signature mail and I opened it up and he literally sent me cash. Like the dude gave like $400 cash back in, you know, like I said, 2017, I shipped it to him. It was like exactly the same jacket that he had had and then lost. And so he wanted to replace it. I sent it to him and he ended up buying more stuff from me, but it was so weird to get like this envelope full of cash from this guy who he didn’t know who I was, but he trusted me to send it to him.
Liz:
What was the highest price item you have ever sold?
Katy:
All right. So now we’re going to call back to the story about my t-shirt that Jesse had had sold to me, sold to me for $50. It was a dead stock, ET, Universal Studios shirt. And the rule was, I couldn’t sell it, but then I went on the virtual flea and everybody was like yelling out numbers. And I think somebody maybe said like, they would buy it for like $500. And so the next time I saw Jesse, I was telling him, and he was like, you should have taken the money. And I’m like, but I promise, no, I think the next time or the time after that, that I went on the virtual fleet, I finally said, okay, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna put this one up, but I have to start it. I think I started at like $300. Cause I wasn’t gonna sell it for less than a certain amount. It ended up selling for $900.
Doug:
I think you answered this, but what’s your favorite platform to sell on?
Katy:
Etsy is my favorite platform. It’s um, you know, super easy to list on the fees are lower than I think most other platforms, if not all of them, you just don’t have problems with buyers on there. Like you do on some other platforms. It seems to be a higher level of sophistication. When it comes to the buyers, you get a lot of international sales. You don’t hardly ever get people asking for returns. People are willing to pay more money for things, stuff I can’t sell on eBay that, that doesn’t sell for the prices I want on eBay tends to sell on Etsy. I would say Instagram has the potential to be a favorite platform, but right now it just feels like a really big mountain to climb. I need to be putting more energy into, but I would say definitely right now, Etsy’s my favorite.
Liz:
What do you know now that you wish you knew when you started selling online?
Katy:
Or any like big glaring things where I’m like, oh, I can’t believe I did that when I in the beginning. Cause I did grow pretty quickly and so I feel like my skills grew pretty quickly. But if there was one thing I could tell my younger selling self, I would probably say that I should be expanding to other platforms sooner that I should have been doing that more from the beginning back that I wouldn’t have had List Perfectly. So it would have taken me a lot longer. Cross posting takes a lot longer when you don’t have a tool.
Doug:
What’s your favorite horror movie and why?
Katy:
It’s really tough to give a favorite. But my go-to answer usually is an American Werewolf in London. It’s from 1981 and I, one of the reasons that I love it so much, is it perfectly blends comedy and horror in a way that wasn’t really ever done before? John Landis was the director and some people, if you’re not a horror fan, you would probably at least know his other movies, Trading Places and Coming to America. So very big in the comedy world before American Werewolf in London, it’s like you either had movies that were supposed to be scary or they were supposed to be funny and like goofy, you know, like Laurel and Hardy meet, you know, Frankenstein and that kind of stuff. You know, it was, it was more about camp and I feel like American Werewolf in London, it kinda got mixed reviews of a time because people didn’t really know how to handle like something that’s like a movie that’s truly scary, but then has comedy in it and has like funny characters and funny lines. But it’s not a comedy necessarily to me. It’s just a really interesting new style of movie that happened at that time. And it’s, it’s super rewatchable I can watch that movie anytime.
Liz:
Katy, thank you so much for joining us today. It has been a true honor. Thank you for sharing your experiences and your knowledge with us.
Katy:
Thank you for having me.
Doug:
Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it. It was a lot of fun.
Liz:
And if you can tell us where our listeners can find you, Katy.
Katy:
Well, I would definitely recommend you come find us on YouTube. The channel is Katy and Vikki. K A T Y and Vikki V I K K I . So find us on there and subscribe, uh, in as far as any of my stores, Instagram, everything is OBU cheek for him.
Liz:
We’ll have that linked in the show notes to make sure everybody can find you. Thank you again, Katie. Thank you.
Seller Shout-outs
Doug:
All right, Liz. I know you’ve got a particular seller shout out this week. So tell us who your seller shout out is to.
Liz:
Yeah. So this week, this is super cool. First, congratulations to everyone graduating high school, college, but a special shout out to Amy Warren. She is the owner of Apple Barrel Traders, graduated with her Masters of Science and Entrepreneurship. So, she did an awesome little post on her Facebook page, and on her cap, she had all the platforms that she sells on, and a little List Perfectly sticker. How cool is that?
Doug:
That is true entrepreneurship, Liz.
Liz:
So yeah, what was really cool, Doug is she has a picture of her, what she calls her a super fun mortar board, that pays tribute to the big businesses, which has enabled her little one to be all that it is today. So on, on the top of her cap, she had all the platform she sells on and a little List Perfectly sticker.
Doug:
Because List Perfectly helps her sell on all of the platforms. Sorry mom and dad, no thanks to you.
Liz:
Right. So Amy, congratulations. And I look forward to seeing more big things come from Apple Barrel Trading.
Doug:
And we will post the link in the show notes, so you can see it as well.
Liz:
And follow Apple Barrel Traders.
Doug:
That’s right.
Seller News
Liz:
Doug. Some news, lots of big news happening. I don’t think that we have a news segment long enough to cover all that’s going on in reselling.
Doug:
It’s very exciting. Liz, there’s a lot of particularly social commerce news this week.
Liz:
There is and it kind of ties right back into what we were talking with Katy about.
Doug:
Yeah. We love social commerce news Liz, and there’s a lot of social commerce news. I follow that closely and I know now you are too. And so you were telling me about some Poshmark thing. Let’s talk about that first.
Liz:
So Poshmark announced last week and they say “we’re excited to announce a first of its kind partnership with Snap, Inc. (so Snapchat) to launch Poshmark Mini. So it is a bite-sized social shopping experience of Poshmark that lives inside Snapchat.” So, and then they go on, you can go through and look. So really “Snapchatters in the US will be able to shop Posh Parties, their signature real-time virtual shopping events and shop our entire catalog of more than 200 million products.” So Poshmark. So there’s going to be the active sellers on Poshmark that are getting on Snap advertising their products, but also sending them directly to Poshmark to shop all over.
Doug:
Yeah. And what’s cool here is so Snap and Poshmark are working together. It’s like-minded audience. So they’re really working with their demographic. And then Snapchat is, I mean, it’s one of those platforms that I think has still been underutilized by a lot of brands and this is cool to see, cause it’s very interactive, obviously it’s video based and there are few barriers to put a video out or a photo or, you know, it’s, you can text as well or message Snap back and forth. And you know, it’s got the whole expiring message thing, but it’s also a very interactive platform for people that like to do short video. And obviously they want to bring sellers over and all the platforms are adding social commerce. And again, it’s, you know, the Poshmark audience is perfect for Snapchat, probably very active on there as well. I think you’re going to see a lot more of these partnerships with the platforms.
Liz:
Yeah. So maybe Katie will take on Snapchat instead of TikTok who knows. We’ll have to have her back and see.
Doug:
Let’s talk again in six months.
Liz:
So, and they go on to announce that Posh Mini will be launching in the coming week. So stay tuned, make sure that you follow the Poshmark page.
Doug:
And speaking of TikTok, Liz, right? We’ve got TikTok news too. You know, I’m a fan, right? I know, I know I don’t post on there much, but I’m a big fan. Watch me, I’m doing my TikTok dance.
Liz:
Oh, I’m sorry for your daughter.
Doug:
Anyway, TikTok is so interesting to me because it’s very interactive. Again, it’s video based. It was meant to be a certain type platform, but it’s kind of molded itself. The algorithm is super dialed in to what you’re looking at, you know, your For You stuff, things like that. But the interesting thing that TikTok as a company is doing, they’re really leaning towards small businesses. They’re really leaning towards sellers. So they’re launching a lot of stuff to, um, shift what the platform is used for. Bring sellers on. There are a lot of sellers on there that are posting like sourcing content and stuff, but they’re gonna make it so sellers can actually sell on there. So they’ve been working with merchants and markets on ways that products can be sold directly to all the users within the TikTok platform. So I follow a lot of social media and tech blogs and things like that. Social Media Today recently ran an article and it’s talking about how TikTok’s been working on e-commerce offerings for a bit, starting out with basic e-commerce links within video clips. You can look at stuff, you can click it, you can buy they’re working on something called promo tiles, which would enable businesses to add customizable sales and promotional alerts overlaid in video clips. So these experiments are interesting Liz, but the other thing is Digital Information World also put out an article that our friend, Alexis Galivan former eBayer now the Head of Small Business Development at TikTok. I think that’s a really good move. And that shows you something that they’re really leaning in. TikTok is one of the most popular social apps right now, it’s growing. So they’ve launched a feature which allows creators to tag brands directly in videos. So certain products or clothing can be bought by tapping on the video. I think that’s the next, that’s the next level stuff.
Liz:
It really is. I mean, even listening in on the May Seller Check-in with eBay, they are getting involved with TikTok, doing a lot of promotions and campaigns with influencers there. So I kind of see that how Poshmark is going with Snap, eBay’s leaning into TikTok. I have a feeling just, you know, marketplaces are really going to be focusing on that because there was, we, we started a conversation about this in the List Perfectly Facebook group. And I just really have a feeling, I don’t know, Doug I’m, I’m not a huge social media. I mean, yes, I’m in Facebook groups, whatever, but I don’t utilize I way underutilize it to sell my stuff. I’m just not there. But I follow sellers who are great content creators, and I can see these marketplaces having their backs. So as they branch out to these social media platforms, reeling it all back into platforms, are there going to be some off platform sales? Probably. But at the end of the day, this is an excellent advertising strategy for your marketplaces. If that’s what you do, will I ever get into it? Probably not, but I’m going to enjoy following those that do it. And I want to see their success
Doug:
Well, and what’s cool too, is eBay Open 2018 eBay Open 2019 I did panels where we talked about using social media to promote your business. And a lot of times that was like, tell your story, share some of your products, but build your personal brand, tell your story. But now it’s getting to the next level where you’re not, you know, you’re sharing something and it used to be, you would share something. People would have to click a link and then go to buy it. But now it’s getting to that point where it’s going to be a seamless experience. I really think that, you know, especially with TikTok, but I think across the board for marketplaces or, you know, anything like that, now’s the time to start getting the foot in the door because this stuff is going to explode over the next couple of years. And it’s going to, it’s going to change things. It’s going to bring a lot off of the platforms. So you have to have these kinds of partnerships. You have to have this kind of synergy, and it’s just a strategy that can help you go to the next level on the social sites for a long time…Pinterest at it, where you could click, you could click an item in a photo and go to, you know, go off site. And they, for a long time, Pinterest had the highest conversion level of buyers because it had a female buying audience. So now they’re saying though, they…so Ad Week Morning Consult did a survey of TikTok users. Half of TikTok users would be interested in purchasing directly from the app. So, I mean, it’s, I think it’s the future of e-commerce, you’re going to keep seeing all this stuff.
Liz:
I think so, too. That is so interesting. So let’s, let’s keep an eye on it and let’s, let’s see if maybe in the future we could get some, social media pointers, you know somebody…
Doug:
I do, we do have a friend. I think we’re going to reach out to her when…we can do a little shout out to my homegirl nacho compadre Tracey Davis of Zing Pop Social. So what she does is she does social media consulting for small businesses. We co-presented at eBay open 2018 on using social media to promote your eBay business. We should have her on just to talk next level, and then we should have Alexis on to talk TikTok and small businesses on TikTok.
Liz:
That would be awesome. I would love that. Yeah. That eBay open 2018, that is when I started on social media because of that presentation that I attended. And that was my first introduction to The Doug Smith.
Doug:
Who knew Liz? In the audience I’m sure in the front row.
Liz:
Oh no, not really. I’m sure I was in the back…List Perfectly put on their Instagram “hey, this is the Seller Community Podcast from List Perfectly. Who do you like to listen to?” And so there was some responses there and I responded with some of the podcasts that I love to listen to. One of my recent finds is, is that Etsy has their own podcast. So I tuned into that while I was taking the dog for a walk the other day, and I had to like go back home and rewind it and write these statistics down because they gave such great insight of things that are trending on Etsy. And as we know, Etsy, vintage vintage is trending, Y2K. All of that is hot right now. So I just grabbed this information. These were all statistics from July to December. So Etsy is seeing an uptick in searches in the following: open air or crochet knit bags.
Doug:
Do you think it’s because a lot of us had to stay home for a year? Maybe we started crocheting…
Liz:
That could very…macrame crochet, that’s been hot this past year. So Doug, do you like baguettes?
Doug:
Small bags of chips or are we talking about like French rolls?
Liz:
We’re actually talking about purses. So Etsy saw an increase. It was actually, so these became popular things in the nineties created by Fendi. It was the it bag back then after it was featured in Sex in the City. So it’s a shape of a bag. But Etsy saw a 394% increase for the search term baguette bag, they also…
Doug:
A bag for your French loaf?
Liz:
It’s not. You can…
Doug:
A bread bag for my French loaf of bread.
Liz:
I don’t think that that’s what they were searching for. However, if you have a bag that holds baguettes, so don’t understand this one, probably a good reason, cause I’m not a fashionista. I’m not hip and cool and up on the times. So there was a 1360% increase for the search term, smiley face jewelry, smiley face jewelry. So if you’re a crafter and you’re making jewelry, you may want to consider adding the smiley faces.
Doug:
And isn’t that, it’s kind of like a classic little moniker goes way back to the sixties or seventies and the smiley face. And there was a comic list called The Watchmen, which uses a modified smiley face logo. But also, you know, when I text people and like, if I text you Liz and I want you to know I’m I telling you something, but I’m not mad. I’ll put a smiley face emoji at the end.
Liz:
I’m pretty sure you just dated yourself with that smiley face so much, which I overuse and that’s okay. I’m okay with that.Y2K. So year 2000, a 1970% increase for Y2K bags. So purses bags think Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie in the Simple Life. That era, that timeframe bags from that time. So anyways, here’s my little Etsy snippet. Oh my goodness. Doug. I think that, that, I think that was a lot of news. We have more news. We’re going to have to hold it off until next week. You’ll just have to come back and see, you have to come back. We have more news.
Doug:
Obscure references. Thanks Liz for those social e-commerce and news snippets.
Liz:
Yeah. That’s about it for the news. And I think that that wraps up episode 15, Doug,
Doug:
Very exciting Liz. That’s my excited voice. I think I’m getting better.
Liz:
You’re getting better at your excited voice.
Doug:
Thank you for all the excited voice tips.
Outro
Liz:
And thank you for joining us this week on the seller community podcast from List Perfectly. This week, we talked to Katy Silverberg from A Boutique for Him. We had a great seller shout-out, and we shared a lot of news.
Doug:
We did, and you can find us at thesellercommunitypodcast.com/podcast. You can leave a message for us or ask a question at anchor.fm/sellercommunitypodcast. Nobody’s done that. You can call and record a message for us as long as you’re nice. You could ask us a question. We could play your voice on the air. You can email us at podcast@thesellercommunitypodcast.com. Then if you have questions or comments, you can post them in the List Perfectly Facebook group. You can use the hashtag seller community podcast, and you can mention Liz or Doug.
Liz:
You can listen to us anywhere. You listen to podcasts and be sure to subscribe and tell your friends.
Doug:
We want you to also, if you would, if you like the podcast or if you have feedback, it doesn’t have to be good feedback, you can go to apple and you can leave us a review. We’d love to hear from you, and if you have constructive criticism, we can take that as well unless it’s like “less Doug.”
Liz:
I don’t know. I feel like I kind of take over. I don’t know how we can get less Doug in here. How about, how about, why doesn’t Liz just tone it down?
Doug:
Liz has excellent diction.
Liz:
You are working on that excited voice!
Doug:
And not mumbling and not talking over. I can’t, I’m not going to be able to get rid of the obscure references though. I can’t help it.
Liz:
Ok, ok.
Doug:
Then, Liz, social media influencer extraordinaire, you can follow her on Instagram @coloradoreworn. I’m @snoop.dougie and of course follow @listperfectly on Instagram as well. All right. Anything else? Liz? A few seconds left.
Liz:
That is it.
Liz and Doug:
See you next week!