On this episode of The Seller Community Podcast from List Perfectly, Clara Albornoz interviews Doug Smith for National Podcast Day, talking about his background and experience, the history of The Seller Community Podcast, and more!
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Clara: Hello resellers. My name is Clara, and I am the co-founder and chief strategy officer of List Perfectly. And today, I have the pleasure and honor to interview Douglas Smith and Dougie Smith, our director of content in List Perfectly. Perfectly, and also a friend for almost four years. So now we’re just going to talk a little more about Dougie’s background.
And Doug, welcome, welcome. Doug, you’ve been involved in some amazing podcasting projects over the years. Can you share how you first got involved in podcasting and content creation, please?
Doug: Of course. But first, Clara, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it. And since you’re running the show, I’m just going to sit back…
Clara: You crack me up.
Doug: No, thank you so much.
Clara: Oh, you’re so welcome. I’m so happy we’re doing this because it’s been almost four years that we have known each other and that we’ve been talking and dreaming about The Seller Community Podcast and here we are celebrating this project that was your idea, your conception, your vision, and again, buckle up audience we’re going to give you more details. Doug is going to share with you now how this all came about. I think that everybody, whether you’re a seller, a software company, or maybe a different industry, everybody, every company should have a podcast because it just gets you closer to your audience, just gets you closer and communicates your vision and vision and I’m honored today, actually, Doug, that we’re doing this together. So, without much further ado, let’s do it. Talk about you and your journey and all the good things you’ve been doing in your career.
Doug: All right, thank you so much. I’ve been working in online content for more than 20 years. So, I started way back with a website, a music website, which was like an online music blog before blogs. Music reviews. We interviewed bands and this was even before they were images on the internet. And there’s a lot to my journey, but I’ve had some kind of online content development role in pretty much every company I’ve worked for. So, from marketing to social media, online community instructional design for a few years, and designing online courses for the government and military.
Really got into social media when that started to come out. So, I like to learn as I go. So I learned how to use social media by building up my own personal brand online, doing different things. And then, at some point, podcasts came out, and I had my eye on it, and it was interesting, but I didn’t really get involved in podcasting until I went to eBay. And then I was on the seller community team, and people are always surprised that I worked at eBay.
Clara: I didn’t know about that; why didn’t you tell me you worked for eBay?
Doug: I try to keep it down low. I’m very subtle and very humble, so I don’t want people to think I have a big ego or anything.
I worked on the seller community team. And so I was working with Griff, and eBay radio had been going on for 15 years. And then one of the hosts, Lee Mirabel, was retiring. So, they decided to relaunch it as a podcast. So I worked on that team there and became interested, and I was on the air sometimes and sometimes hosted, but a lot of the work that I did for the podcast was in the backend, a little bit of producing, a little bit of booking guests coming up with questions, things like that. When I left eBay, I wanted to start my own podcast. So I realized that I wanted to do an e-commerce podcast, but something that touched all the marketplaces, and I had to find out how I could do that. But then I also realized I needed to be able to do everything myself before I could do that. I love music, obviously, but that’s why I launched my music podcast, The Albums That Saved Us because I wanted to be able to do everything from scratch. I want to be able to come in somewhere and be like, yeah, I can produce it and everything. And then so I came up with the idea, but I was like, where can I do this? And then you and I became connected, and we told the story that we talked, I think late one afternoon, and then the next morning, you wanted to know when I was awake to talk again. And then so, the Seller Community Podcast was born four years ago.
Clara: That was incredible. What a journey, Doug, because for me, from my perspective, when you presented the idea of the podcast, and you know how big we are in List Perfectly to reach our community in every possible way. For me, it was so exciting. I thought that was meant to be. And at that time, I’ll never forget, I’ll never forget. I couldn’t hire you as an employee. I have to hire a consultant, and you were working another job to make it happen. That’s how much you believe in that for me. The fact that you were able to launch our podcast as you were providing for your family with another job that could afford all the responsibilities you have for me, that was, I will never forget that, Doug.
I will never, because you did that sacrifice for us, I remember every day I was counting the days until I could hire you a full-time employee and make it happen. And meet, the standards and everything that we need in order to retain you here in the List Perfectly team.
So for me the pleasure was actually ours with Amanda. Amanda loved the idea right away. And throughout the years you have many co-hosts, but you’ve been instrumental at keeping this podcast professionally organized and executed. So I really appreciate you for that, Dougie.
Doug: Oh, of course. Thank you. And I appreciate you and Amanda, of course, taking a chance on it and some of this crazy idea that’s gone all kinds of different ways, but we’ve it’s done, and we’ve had a lot of fun.
Clara: That’s right. No, that’s right. Now let’s go back a little to your eBay, which is a part of your life, alright? And you were a key figure On the eBay for Business Podcast. How did that experience shape your approach to podcasting and storytelling?
Doug: I have to give a lot of credit to the whole team, but especially Griff, because I learned so much from him. I wouldn’t be where I am right now without Griff.
Clara: We love you, Griff!
Doug: We love you, Griff. And it comes from the earlier stuff I mentioned, the kind of the back-end production part, coming up with questions, booking people, things like that. But then also being on air and Griff teaching me things like breathing and working on a mic and things like that.
Because I used to be like, Everybody, how’s it going? And just things like that. And then just learning about things like how to play. Working with people, listening to them while they answer questions, and trying to develop that rapport while you can. And some people are great when you’re talking, but when you switch everything on in the studio, they clam up. And, you just have to be able to adjust and just also be able to adjust as you go.
The big takeaway from working with Griff is just learning all that. Some of it’s basic, and some of it’s more advanced, but he’d been doing it for years, just learning that and taking that stuff with me.
Clara: That’s amazing that you got that opportunity with Griff and that he just actually retired recently, right? From the eBay for Business Podcast, right?
Doug: So the eBay for Business Podcast did end, but Griff is still working for eBay right now. He says he’s not retiring yet.
Clara: Go, Griff! All right. So, in addition to your work in e-commerce, okay, you also co-host Albums That Saved Us, as you mentioned earlier, which focuses on music. What drew you to podcasting about music, and how has it influenced your content style?
Doug: I think and thank you for asking about The Albums That Saved Us. It’s my baby. But this is another thing I learned at eBay, too, with the seller community, is everybody has a story, and I love telling stories. If you know me, Clara knows I love telling stories. I have a story for everything.
But I love helping other people tell their stories as well. And I think a lot of people will say something like why would you want to talk to me? I don’t have a story. And then you find out they have this amazing background or the amazing reason why maybe they got into selling and tying that into music is I really love music.
And back when I was a little kid, probably middle school, I just really loved music, really loved certain bands and certain genres. And I just realized, at some point, there are a lot of stories related to that with me. And then I realized that people like hearing those stories. People like talking about music, but everything to me goes back to stories and storytelling and how podcasting is a vocal medium to tell stories, which is getting rarer and rarer in our kind of social media-based world where everything’s so fast, everything’s so quick. And then it’s based on my favorite band is the Smiths. No shocker.
Clara: Doug Smith likes The Smiths.
Doug: I got the idea. The name came from a song of theirs called Rubber Ring, and it talks about how we listen to music, and music touches us and stays with us in our lives, even if we grow out of it. And so the concept is you may grow out of the music that you loved, but it is still there waiting for you to come back or waiting for you to, talk about it or share it. So that’s where the idea came about as well.
Clara: Oh, that’s amazing. But actually, you’re being very humble here because not only do you like bands, all right, but you were part of a band actually. And then you played for no small audiences. I know that you did play it. Can you tell us a little about part, that part of your journey?
Doug: Yeah, before I did all this, I played in a bunch of different bands. I played in a blues band or a bar band, which is a typical thing. I played in a punk band that ended in a bar fight. So that’s a good story.
Clara: Oh, that’s a good story. Okay. We’re going to learn a little more about the bar fight when Doug was part of the band.
Doug: That’s right. And yeah, the band United Riot ended in a bar fight. And then, I played in a country band called Sickstring Outlaws for a while. And then some friends of mine I have a lot of musician friends in San Diego and in the early two thousand the tribute band scene started to come along, and it was a lot of eighties bands that were doing tribute bands. And so the idea is, you pretend to be a certain band in a certain era that people would remember. And just, you go, you are trying to duplicate that era of the band.
Duran Duran is one of my favorite bands of all time, So I started a Duran Duran tribute band called Rio, and We played shows at casinos, Houses of Blues, and all the big venues in the San Diego and LA area. A lot of shows, a lot of big crowds. And so that was the biggest band I played in, a Duran Duran tribute band called Rio, and it was before social media was like it is; it was just starting out. But we played a lot of big shows, and that kind of factored back in as well.
Clara: Oh, wow. Thank you for sharing that with our audience. There you have it. Me sharing, okay, things that you didn’t know about Doug Smith.
So was there a particular episode or moment from the eBay for Business Podcast that stood out as a learning experience for you, Doug?
Doug: I got to interview a lot of seller friends and a lot of industry experts on the podcast. Griff has a nice studio on-site at eBay, and it has two rooms, lights, and microphones. And it can be very intimidating if you’re not used to it. And I think that was the biggest lesson that I learned there is when those lights and everything turns on…
Clara: that is so true, Doug, because it is, I was lucky because I remember when I went there, you were outside the front door. Okay. But literally, you are divided on a glass. They put those headsets are super professional heavy. They give you a microphone that is the size of a men’s show. Okay. And then you are in a soundproof room with all kinds of different gadgets all over surrounding you. So it is true if I hadn’t had the experience of doing the Seller Community Podcast for a couple of years with you, I would have frozen.
I tend to be, literally I am that kind of person. So I’m glad you’re bringing that up because, yes, one thing is to do it here where we’re doing it very informally. Mostly, we work from home with Team List Perfectly remotely. Right now, Doug is in California. I’m in the headquarters of List Perfectly in Phoenix.
So it’s, Not an intimidating professional studio. So that makes sense that thank you for sharing that. I can only imagine what a journey that must be.
Doug: What I learned from that is, when you’re interviewing or talking to somebody, you have to try and make them feel comfortable, try and make it feel casual, try and always make it feel conversational, and then it’s okay if something’s not perfect. That’s another thing I learned, too, when people talk naturally. It’s not like a stop-and-start always. People talk over each other. People do say um and ah. It happens, and that’s like a natural flow of conversation, and people want to hear that because if it’s clipped, it’s like question, answer, question, answer.
Some people, when they’re nervous, that’s the way they will go through an interview. But if it’s something that can flow and be conversational with lights on, with the mics, with the headphones, with the quietness, which can sometimes itself be intimidating, just making them feel more comfortable and just getting them relaxed enough to tell their story.
Clara: That is so true. As someone who has anxiety, chronic anxiety, that is so true. You make me feel comfortable, and I open up. I can really share whether it’s whatever topic I need to elaborate on. That is so true. Thank you for sharing that. Now, Doug, let’s talk a little about switching gears.
Now we’re going to go to, thank you for sharing your background, but I want to know a little now audience where, we’re going to share about the idea and creation of the Seller Community Podcast. So how did the idea of the Seller Community Podcast come about? We touched a little in the beginning of the episode, but was there a specific need in the community that you wanted to fill?
Doug: Obviously the eBay for Business podcast was focused on eBay, and it told seller stories, but it definitely had that eBay influence, that eBay input, and a little bit of a corporate feel. So I wanted something that wasn’t so corporate, but I wanted the opportunity to be able to touch, again, all of the marketplaces.
Cause there are some sellers that don’t sell on eBay. There are some sellers that sell mostly on Poshmark and mostly on Mercari. And then, I say this all the time: what I’ve always loved about List Perfectly is top to bottom, everybody’s a seller, so involved in the seller community across the board, online and offline, in so many different ways. And I wanted to incorporate that feel into something as well. So I think there was a need for that. Like you had said, every company should have a podcast, a brand podcast, cause it helps you connect. And again, telling stories is important. I think all the marketplaces would be smart to have their own podcasts.
Clara: Couldn’t agree more with you. If you’re doing e commerce and you have a marketplace you should have right now, a podcast, there’s so many tools to make a podcast. Back in the day wow I remember even when we started, so many different software and it’s getting easier and easier to edit with editing software and so forth. I couldn’t agree with you more that every marketplace should have a podcast, especially marketplaces in e-commerce.
Doug: Yeah, definitely. And it’s an opportunity to reach out to your community. But for me, too, it is also a way to, if you think about it in terms of a content strategy, it’s a way to repurpose and reuse content.
so we start our podcasts, so we do a video interview, so we’ve got this video interview like we’re doing now, so we can use the video from that, and we cut that up into smaller pieces and then we pull the audio from that for an audio podcast because there’s different types of podcasts now, some people listen to podcasts on YouTube. Some people still listen on iTunes and across the board. Then you also have the opportunity to pull a transcript from that, which you can use for social media content and blog posts, which is what we do as well. That’s another reason a podcast is a great content medium for any company.
Clara: That’s right. Now, what a great answer, Doug. Great. Spot on because it allows you to be like the platform, the runway to create content for so many other different channels. We do it organically. You do it organically. And that’s the beauty of it. Now, can you describe how you and the team brought this idea to life? What were the first steps on putting it together?
Doug: So what we did was and shout out to Liz O’Kane who used to work with us, she helped me launch the podcast, she was the first co-host, so we did some experimentations cause we had to do some experimenting our first. First experiment was with Theresa Cox, so that was one of the first episodes.
Clara: Oh, I forgot about that!
Doug: Way back, one of the first. Along the way, I also learned and edited a little more. I used to edit a lot more than I do now. And, as you said, we have newer tools that help us do other things more efficiently. And then it was just figuring out how we would do things, how we would promote it. So again, we decided at first that it was audio only, and then we got on YouTube.
Clara: Oh, you’re right. The first was audio. Oh my, I forgot that.
Doug: And then we launched on YouTube. And then, we launched the Seller Community Podcast website, thesellercommunitypodcast.com. That was where we basically put the transcripts to get SEO.
Clara: Amazing, Doug. Wow. Wow. I forgot all that. There you have it beautiful audience. What an incredible journey. But then you had multiple co-hosts. Would you like to elaborate on that journey? So you started with Liz O’Kane. Then what happened in the transition? What was next?
Doug: Yeah, multiple hosts, and everybody has some different things that they bring to co-hosting, things like that. Liz moved on to focus on her business. So then we transitioned over to, and it was supposed to be Clara and Amanda, but Amanda, I don’t think, is the biggest fan of co-hosting, which is fine. It’s not for everybody, just like doing lives. And then Clara was for almost a year. My co-host was very energetic and good back and forth. We had a great rapport. Then Danna Crawford came in and she was the co-host for a bit. She was great as well, very knowledgeable and very well known, but she also had her own podcast, and we decided that she should focus and we would help her grow the Power Selling Podcast, which is also a great resource from List Perfectly.
Clara: Power Selling, Mom, I think.
Doug: It’s just the Power Selling Podcast.
Clara: Okay, sorry. I stand corrected. Thank you, Dougie.
Doug: And then, Trish came in and what’s great about Trish is I’ve known Trish a long time, like eight years. And so we have a really great rapport together. She’s very well-known and knowledgeable. And then, obviously, yeah, I know a bit about selling. Cause I do sell, I do use List Perfectly, but it’s good to be balanced with a seller that’s been selling for multiple years.
We repurpose content. So if we have a really good YouTube live, sometimes we’ll repurpose that into the podcast. So we do that as well. And again, a podcast is just a great way to repurpose different types of content.
Clara: That’s right. Wow. That’s so true. Now, if we talk about milestones and successes, have there been any episodes that stand out to you as pivotal in the podcast’s growth or evolution?
Doug: So we’ve got almost 200 Episodes. And they’re all my little…
Clara: Hold on. Okay. Imagine the confetti.
Doug: Yeah, they’re all my little babies or puppies, and they’re all fun, and they’re all interesting. Lots of different stories. We’ve had lots of sellers. We’ve had marketplace executives from different marketplaces. We’ve had industry experts on. And interestingly, one of my favorites is season one, episode eight, our first episode of three with Dave Snyder, who’s an eBay SEO expert. He goes deep. He touched on the high-level points that you don’t learn when you’re listening. And people don’t think about SEO when they’re listing on the marketplaces.
And he focuses on eBay, but much of his advice is applicable across the marketplace. It’s he talks about titles, item specifics keywords, and things like that. And that’s a great episode. It’s still our top episode of all time that we refer back to. And he refers back to regularly as well. He just gave us a shout-out on LinkedIn.
And then of course, the great as we refer back to as well, The Clothing Vault story, a couple of those episodes are in our top ones. Those are great memories. And that was when we did the initial transition, we’d said let’s go back and tell The Clothing Vault story and, How that led to List Perfectly.
Clara: What a story. Wow. And yes, we will write a book with Amanda because this is an insane story. The Clothing Vault, dear audience, if you don’t know, that’s the reselling, you can Google it, theclothingvault.com. You can see it on eBay, Poshmark, Mercari, everywhere.
That was the brand that I used to use with Amanda to sell online. And that was the way that we were able to finance and build List Perfectly without debt. And today we have no investors debt free thanks to The Clothing Vault. So go and listen to that incredible episode.
Listen also to Dave Snyder. Why? Because SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization. You might say, no, I’m a small business. I don’t need that. Whether you have 10 listings or 10 000 listings, listen to this episode because it applies to sellers from at any stage of the journey. Dave is very knowledgeable in how to work smarter and not harder. So I’m big on that. I know you will enjoy this incredible episode. And again, thank you, Dave. I can’t wait to have you back.
Doug: Yeah, for sure. And he will definitely be back on. And then other seller stories as well. Kim Rose’s story, Stewart White’s story.
Clara: Oh, that was strong. Kim Rose, because that was, you know what, Dougie, because that, that, that went, Oh guys, Rose like the flower because she had the guts to leave her corporate job of I don’t know, twenty plus, And then jumping to a full-time resale, which he’s very intimidating, even for myself, when I left the comfort of banking, it was the scariest thing to do. So Doug, yes, thank you. The Kim Rose story gives me the goosebumps.
Doug: And then other seller stories, too many to mention, within the top 10 episodes, Kim’s story, Stewart White’s story more on The Clothing Vault. But some of the eBay stuff really stands out, too. We had one of the big things that nobody knows about. One of the big eBay mysteries is the eBay Vero program. Everybody’s scared of it. And we had Julien on, who runs the program, a super nice guy. And that’s what he said. He said, yeah, there’s a lot of people don’t understand it. So he broke that down and explained it. So we still refer to that a lot. And I love that he talked about how he had to tell his mom that she couldn’t use certain pictures in the listing because he was violating VERO. Again it just goes back to stories, and I love the stories. I love helping people tell and find their stories.
Clara: So your co-hosts, bring a unique dynamic to the podcast. What’s it like working with them and how do you ensure everyone’s strengths are showcased?
Doug: I’ve had a lot of different co-hosts, and everyone is different and unique in their own way. I think you have to develop a rapport and it’s a challenge, it’s very different when you’re recording than when you’re live as well. Cause it’s two different things. You have to move fast. So I’ve developed my own style. When you’re talking, Clara, I can tell when you’re going to stop talking, and then I know that I need to step in, or I just adjust that, and I had adjusted the way I’m presenting to the person I’m working with because everybody’s different.
Trish is very fast and, I know her syncopation. Danna and Liz were the same way. I would just know when to jump in and fill in any spaces or direct them or crack a joke or play off of something they were going to say.
It’s all about taking the time to learn about the person that you are co-hosting with and learning how they talk, the speech patterns, knowing when they’re going to stop, knowing when they’re going to start and then knowing when and when not to step in.
Clara: What a journey, huh? What a journey. Wow. There you have it, incredible tips from Doug Smith. Now, let’s see what’s next. The Seller Community Podcast has grown a lot since it started. What’s next for our podcast? Are there any exciting plans you can share so our community can get even more excited?
Doug: Again, we’re coming literally up on the fourth year. So, four seasons, four years. And so we’re going to continue to tell stories. We’re going to continue to have marketplaces on and I think at List Perfectly, we’ve really got a good syncopation of where we’ve, we identify what we can repurpose, what we can reuse. Again, if there’s a great life, we can put it on there. So we’re gonna keep doing that.
We’ve talked about maybe getting Patrick on more with tech tips because the audience really enjoys Patrick. Trish is talking about doing like a regular Master Mind tip from Listing Party, her daily mastermind calls on Listing Party.
We will continue to do what we’ve been doing and help bring the news to the sellers, help tell stories and help people, document their journey and appreciate where they’ve come from and their business growth.
Clara: Yes, indeed. Oh, I’m excited. Exciting news. With the continued evolution of the reseller space, how do you plan to keep the podcast fresh and aligned with the community needs?
Doug: So I think that really ties into how tied in we are, the podcast and List Perfectly, how tied in we are to the community, what they’re looking for, what they need, what their feedback is.
And same thing with the marketplaces. Like we talk to the marketplaces regularly. We know what’s coming. We keep up on marketplace news. So we want to, help spread that word marketplaces come to us and say, Hey, can you help us do this? Can you help us spread the word? We need to do this. Can you work with us?
We’re doing all kinds of different things across the content sphere that you’ll also see on the podcast as well, whether it be, webinars maybe something with an eBay, a Mercari, a Poshmark, they’ve got some new tool that they need to help get the word out on, that happens too.
And just keeping an eye and having a finger on the pulse of the trends in the reseller space.
Clara: Amazing. Wow. Doug, what a session audience, but buckle up. We still have a little more, so we’re closing up, but let’s see. For National Podcast Day, what advice could you give to someone interested in starting their own podcast, especially within a niche community?
Doug: Don’t be intimidated by it. Just do it. I have pretty good equipment. You can use great equipment. You don’t have to have a full, crazy studio space. You could just talk to your computer. Quality is important, but don’t be intimidated by it. It doesn’t have to be perfect.
The key is to be relatable. The key is to tell stories. And if you’re talking about something you love. That’s the way to do it. Do something you love. You’re going to need to do some research.
Clara: Find a topic that you love, and then it’ll flow. It’ll be easier to flow with a podcast session.
Doug: And there are a ton of podcasts out there. Don’t be intimidated. If you want to start like a music podcast, it’s going to be from your perspective, so it will be different. And I would say to stick with it. The average podcast doesn’t last past 20 episodes, and some don’t get to that.
Clara: Wow, Doug, that’s insane.
Doug: Yeah, it is.
Clara: And yet here you are, congrats, Doug. How many episodes did we say we have?
Doug: Almost 200.
Clara: Wow.
Doug: That’s a lot. So, almost 200 episodes. We recently broke 90,000 downloads. So we’re doing great.
But again, if you want to start a podcast, pick a niche that you love. Don’t be intimidated by other podcasts out there. And then do some research.
We use a couple different tools and like Clara had said earlier on, that, that has evolved. The editing. I used to edit by hand. So basically it would look like this big waveform, and you go in, you listen, you cut things out. And now we use a tool that I really love called Descript. It’s D E S C R I P T. And basically what it does is it’s an editor that edits video text and audio all at the same time, and it has AI incorporated, so we do use some AI tools with the podcast, And you can remove ums and ahs and then very easy to edit and you can create small clips from it, big clips. So it’s a great tool, but again, it’s D E S C R I P T dot com. But yeah, just sticking with it is my main advice.
Clara: Perfect. Perfect. Now, finally, what’s the one thing you’ve learned through the broadcasting journey that has shaped you personally and professionally, Doug?
Doug: I think it’s the story thing. Everything to me comes back to stories, and I love storytelling. I love standup comedy and things like that. And I love podcasts again, because they’re one of the few things now in our crazy world that’s so fast and has all the distractions and has all our notifications and all our social media. Podcasting and stand-up comedy are really one of the last few ways people actually tell stories unless you’re around a campfire or something like that. I love telling stories, I love hearing stories, and just the spoken word, and I think that’s what’s really influenced me from my podcast journey.
Clara: Wow. What an incredible session, Doug, as we’re coming to the end of this incredible session about the journey of the Seller Community Podcast. Is there anything else you would like to share?
Doug: Always be learning, always be adapting. The podcast world has changed so much in four years. Always be looking at how to incorporate social media. Anybody can do this. You can do it, just don’t get intimidated, but again, always be willing to adapt and always be willing to learn more.
Clara: Oh, that’s well said. Wise words. And thank you so much, Doug. Thank you for listening to our beautiful audience, and stay tuned. We’ll come up with more sessions and more news.
Doug: All right. Yeah. Thanks, Clara. I really appreciate you taking the time to switch the chairs around.
Clara: Bye everybody.
Doug: And thanks for listening and thanks for watching and please keep listening and keep watching.
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